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	<title>Comments on: Do You Know Your Place?</title>
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		<title>By: yonasu</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, I probably wouldn&#039;t understand a high-level business or council meeting even if it was in Swedish. Fluent to me is when you&#039;re able to engage in daily conversations and being able to discuss things at a higher level, but not necessary in a topic you don&#039;t know anything about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, I probably wouldn&#039;t understand a high-level business or council meeting even if it was in Swedish. Fluent to me is when you&#039;re able to engage in daily conversations and being able to discuss things at a higher level, but not necessary in a topic you don&#039;t know anything about.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://japangaku.com/do-you-know-your-place/comment-page-1#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s definitely good to have these sort of things to keep you realistic about how much effort and time learning a language takes, but almost important to break that huge goal down into smaller, more manageable pieces. Just as I mentioned to many reader&#039;s dismay in another comment, I still don&#039;t consider myself fluent even after 7 1/2 years. Why? Because I get the same feeling you did when I&#039;m put in a council meeting or some high-level businesslike conversation. I still have a long, long way to go...

It can be depressing if you only focus on that, which is why you must always try to think back to what your level was at some point in the past. When you looked at hiragana and saw squiggles, or when you flicked through a manga and only ever looked at the pictures. Doing that will help get you back some perspective.

One thing I can say though, with some positivity for you, is that the first year or two are the hardest along your journey. After that, progress becomes easier. You will have a realisation at some point that, even though you&#039;re not perfect, you can somewhat get by with basic conversation. Then after that will come another realisation that you understand most of what is being said in casual chit-chat. And then that you just read a manga without really trying. And so on and so forth.

So, by all means be aware of your &#039;place&#039;, but don&#039;t think about it too seriously for the first year or two. Hard study and exposure everyday over a period of time is necessary to become accustomed to a new language like Japanese. Throw yourself into it and before you know it, you&#039;ll have emerged at a higher place as if by accident. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s definitely good to have these sort of things to keep you realistic about how much effort and time learning a language takes, but almost important to break that huge goal down into smaller, more manageable pieces. Just as I mentioned to many reader&#039;s dismay in another comment, I still don&#039;t consider myself fluent even after 7 1/2 years. Why? Because I get the same feeling you did when I&#039;m put in a council meeting or some high-level businesslike conversation. I still have a long, long way to go&#8230;</p>
<p>It can be depressing if you only focus on that, which is why you must always try to think back to what your level was at some point in the past. When you looked at hiragana and saw squiggles, or when you flicked through a manga and only ever looked at the pictures. Doing that will help get you back some perspective.</p>
<p>One thing I can say though, with some positivity for you, is that the first year or two are the hardest along your journey. After that, progress becomes easier. You will have a realisation at some point that, even though you&#039;re not perfect, you can somewhat get by with basic conversation. Then after that will come another realisation that you understand most of what is being said in casual chit-chat. And then that you just read a manga without really trying. And so on and so forth.</p>
<p>So, by all means be aware of your &#039;place&#039;, but don&#039;t think about it too seriously for the first year or two. Hard study and exposure everyday over a period of time is necessary to become accustomed to a new language like Japanese. Throw yourself into it and before you know it, you&#039;ll have emerged at a higher place as if by accident. <img src='http://japangaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Do You Know Your Place? - Dumb Otaku -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by DumbOtaku and Will P, Asia Notes. Asia Notes said: #japan #trends Do You Know Your Place? - I was recently put in my place this last December with the JLPT 4 test. I ... http://ow.ly/16nWqw [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fdsfdaafsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fdsfdaafsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of know how you feel.  I may have done 4 months of Japanese but I still can&#039;t see the end no matter how far I looked.  I do know that I have progressed though.  It&#039;s kind of funny how I looked at a video 4 months ago and I had no idea what they were saying.  Now I have an idea of what their talking about.  That to me at least encouraged me that I know something at the very least.  You and me have a long road to go through but it doesn&#039;t have to be hard just consistent.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of know how you feel.  I may have done 4 months of Japanese but I still can&#8217;t see the end no matter how far I looked.  I do know that I have progressed though.  It&#8217;s kind of funny how I looked at a video 4 months ago and I had no idea what they were saying.  Now I have an idea of what their talking about.  That to me at least encouraged me that I know something at the very least.  You and me have a long road to go through but it doesn&#8217;t have to be hard just consistent.  <img src='http://japangaku.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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